tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post6040281269905153234..comments2024-03-19T08:42:45.690-04:00Comments on The Delaware Libertarian: Gee, I'm sorry that I fired the shots at the Holocaust Museum...Steven H. Newtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09097470960863103473noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-21296647716492291132009-06-12T03:39:21.755-04:002009-06-12T03:39:21.755-04:00So you still think that commenters and bloggers sh...<i>So you still think that commenters and bloggers should be personally punished or suffer injurious consequences for their comments?</i><br /><br />Yes, I believe people should take responsibility for their words and actions. Part of that whole libertarian thing.<br /><br />Yes, I think that attacking someone's character ("amoral" Mike Matthews, for example) leaves one's own character open to dissection.<br /><br />Yes, I believe that if one is about to say or write something that could cause "injurious consequences", then perhaps that person should temper his or her words.<br /><br />No, I do not believe that anonymity grants one free irresponsibility.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18232413070740901653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-75768116284091434442009-06-10T22:58:50.463-04:002009-06-10T22:58:50.463-04:00DWA wrote:
"You are nothing more than an anon...DWA wrote:<br />"You are nothing more than an anonymous blowhard who thinks said anonymity gives you the right to say anything with impunity."<br /><br />Did you know that "impunity" means "exemption from punishment or freedom from the injurious consequences of an action"?<br /><br />So you still think that commenters and bloggers should be personally punished or suffer injurious consequences for their comments? Your consistent argument against anonymity seems to come down to your dislike of people speaking with impunity.<br /><br />Too bad. <br /><br />anononeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-81417013393895600762009-06-10T22:37:27.531-04:002009-06-10T22:37:27.531-04:00I have no "defense" because your "o...I have no "defense" because your "offense" was so patently weak that it doesn't even deserve a response.<br /><br />You're still a coward. I've said it before: There can be no true understanding until we've sat down and broken bread. You are nothing more than an anonymous blowhard who thinks said anonymity gives you the right to say anything with impunity. Granted, this isn't one of your bigger humdingers, but you still don't deserve the courtesy of a rational response. Not at this juncture.downwithabsoluteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06511870818710411155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-28377939285130648762009-06-10T22:16:34.371-04:002009-06-10T22:16:34.371-04:00As usual, Matthews has no defense for his inane an...As usual, Matthews has no defense for his inane and amoral positions other than to call names and make up pathetic excuses about anonymity.<br /><br />Sad.<br /><br />anononeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-51399042553303641912009-06-10T22:11:38.610-04:002009-06-10T22:11:38.610-04:00Steve,
I never said or implied that you said &quo...Steve,<br /><br />I never said or implied that you said "that extremist groups that advocate violence don't exist, or that those which can be identified should not become targets for law enforcement organizations."<br /><br />Please don't confuse my comments with comments from others.<br /><br />anononeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-90759898868880275842009-06-10T21:52:09.387-04:002009-06-10T21:52:09.387-04:00Also interesting. In his litany of sins committed ...Also interesting. In his litany of sins committed by those "profiled" in the DHS report, DelDem leaves out the murderer who took down the Army recruiter. Why isn't THAT included on DelDem's list?<br /><br />I have no interest in answering coward A1's attack. He is what he is: an individual who continues to lob missiles while lounging in the comforts of anonymity.downwithabsoluteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06511870818710411155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-81155273413817568942009-06-10T21:38:17.452-04:002009-06-10T21:38:17.452-04:00Congrats, A1
You managed to cherry pick a truism ...Congrats, A1<br /><br />You managed to cherry pick a truism out of a flawed report, without making reference to the methodological, professional, or political flaws that caused it to be condemned by the ACLU, the Boston Globe, the DHS internal civil rights review panel, and legitimate scholars across the country.<br /><br />Now answer the question I posed in the post: where do you find me saying that extremist groups that advocate violence don't exist, or that those which can be identified should not become targets for law enforcement organizations?<br /><br />Unless you consider critiquing a government document to be prima facie evidence that I support violent extremism.<br /><br />Put up or shut the hell up. I'm tired of all of you either implying or outright lying about what I have said.Steven H. Newtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09097470960863103473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-20722735928392782242009-06-10T21:20:25.098-04:002009-06-10T21:20:25.098-04:00Oh, and here is part of what that terrible DHS rep...Oh, and here is part of what that terrible DHS report had to say:<br /><br />"Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."<br /><br />What we have seen in the last two weeks is exactly what the report was warning about.<br /><br />Does this mean the government should infiltrate or intimidate non-violent and non-threatening groups? Absolutely not. Should the government at least be aware of the threat that groups and individuals (right or left) who advocate for violence represent? You bet.<br /><br />anononeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-70951893848264785362009-06-10T20:58:34.273-04:002009-06-10T20:58:34.273-04:00It comes as no surprise that the amoral Limbaugh-w...It comes as no surprise that the amoral Limbaugh-wannabe Mike Mathews cannot distinguish between the ACTUAL INFILTRATION of avowedly non-violent, non-threatening, anti-War PEACE groups by the Bush government (and they were also put on terrorist watch lists) and a REPORT on right-wing white supremacists and anti-abortion groups who advocate for violence daily.<br /><br />Clearly, you actually have to have some sense of morality and understanding of the First Amendment to make such a distinction, and Mathews shows once again that he has neither.<br /><br />anononeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-3512077725534559962009-06-10T19:23:45.105-04:002009-06-10T19:23:45.105-04:00You said it, Steve -- Del Dem is an asshole. Perio...You said it, Steve -- Del Dem is an asshole. Period. And he's a fucking <i>lawyer??</i> Fucking ambulance chaser, probably, given his pathetic tools of logic. <br /><br />Oops, I'd better be careful. He may round me up and have me shot.Hubehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02735857200853965829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-28524339001222005392009-06-10T16:51:04.832-04:002009-06-10T16:51:04.832-04:00I wouldn't be too concerned, Steve. There is a...I wouldn't be too concerned, Steve. There is a contingent of bloggers at DL who do their best to mischaracterize ones thoughts and opinions on a regular basis. <br /><br />I see no difference between the report on POSSIBLY right-wing extremists from the DHS and the infiltration of POSSIBLY left-wing anti-war extremists that the Bush Administration Justic Department committed back in 2002-2003 during the run-up to the war.<br /><br />The only difference is guys like DelDem were UP IN ARMS when he heard about the Bush Administration infiltrating anti-war groups, but he has no problems with the justice department broad brushing and stereotyping an entire group of people whose political thought he disagrees with.<br /><br />Some consistency.downwithabsoluteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06511870818710411155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-32783842882032799642009-06-10T16:11:39.337-04:002009-06-10T16:11:39.337-04:00Yeah, right wing extremists are not violent at all...<i>Yeah, right wing extremists are not violent at all.</i><br /><br />Right wing extremists, left wing extemists....there is no difference except in their particular ideology. They are just whackos.<br /><br />Some can't seem to see this, and I'm not sure why....maybe it is time constraints, where a flippantly outrageous statement seems to serve just as well as a reasoned argument. That's just being lazy.a most peculiar naturehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13131721132161386999noreply@blogger.com