tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post7559332993645559989..comments2024-03-19T08:42:45.690-04:00Comments on The Delaware Libertarian: Delaware Libertarian Candidates stand for marriage equality. Where are the Dems and GOPers?Steven H. Newtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09097470960863103473noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-81963908205748579972012-06-26T16:21:58.984-04:002012-06-26T16:21:58.984-04:00Perhaps I gave you too much credit Dana. You seem ...Perhaps I gave you too much credit Dana. You seem like a reasonably intelligent person who might actually try to understand whatever subject you are talking about. <br /><br />Given that information about the LP's platform and Libertarian philosophy in general is so readily available, anyone who put forth even the most minimal effort should know the LP position on basic issues like this.tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06653459162258850269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-89541228468363195032012-06-26T15:25:19.229-04:002012-06-26T15:25:19.229-04:00Dana, I do understand Tom's comment. You rout...Dana, I do understand Tom's comment. You routinely comment to pose rhetorical questions and to tell us what Libertarians think about this issue or that issue. It therefore becomes quite difficult to separate the genuine questions from the straw men.Steven H. Newtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09097470960863103473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-10962679145544675222012-06-26T15:20:18.196-04:002012-06-26T15:20:18.196-04:00Tom, thanks for the info, but I don't understa...Tom, thanks for the info, but I don't understand why I should have known it. I'm not psychic.Dana Garrettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-83655810808261108012012-06-25T20:16:52.879-04:002012-06-25T20:16:52.879-04:00As I noted yesterday, Equality Delaware proudly li...As I noted yesterday, Equality Delaware proudly lists individuals like Tom Carper and John Carney on their masthead, even though neither the Senator nor the "Congressman have ever issued a positive statement on marriage equality--even after President Obama got his act somewhat together."<br /><br />EQDE was formed to pursue Civil Union Legislation, not gay marriage. Your questions will be germane if they push into marriage equality next. I don't know where they are on that issue. <br /><br />Of course, those same pols may not have come out in favor of civil unions either ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-1265368322060324972012-06-25T19:27:55.560-04:002012-06-25T19:27:55.560-04:00No Dana, it's not new and you should know that...No Dana, it's not new and you should know that. Quoting Wikipedia: <br /><br /><i>"Gay activist Richard Sincere has pointed to the longstanding support of gay issues by the party, which has supported marriage equality since its first platform was drafted in 1972. Many LGBT political candidates have run for office on the Libertarian Party ticket,[45] and there have been numerous LGBT caucuses in the party, with the most active in recent years being the Outright Libertarians.</i>tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06653459162258850269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-73308843267869295042012-06-25T18:08:48.430-04:002012-06-25T18:08:48.430-04:00The feds and the states both take advantage of the...The feds and the states both take advantage of the power to violate human rights. The 10th Amendment is only libertarian when the states act in a libertarian manner. Giving preferential treatment to some unions and not others is not libertarian.<br />In any case, this is not being presented as a 10th Amendment issue, because this is about Delawareans who prefer equal marriage within Delaware. It is not being framed as a federal issue. Of course, the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the US Constitution does guarantee that state ceremonies such as marriages performed in one state must be recognized in all other US states - so it is inherently a federal matter.<br />And, as long as the federal government grants any recognition to any type of marriage whatsoever, whether for taxes or for immigration, marriage has become a federal issue. That has happened for quite some time. If we prevent the federal government from recognizing any marriage whatsoever, then matters would be different.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-19512166322993162142012-06-25T16:29:55.184-04:002012-06-25T16:29:55.184-04:00Is this marriage as a civil right stance new for t...Is this marriage as a civil right stance new for the Libertarian Party? I thought you all were hyper about the 10th amendment.Dana Garrettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-8870834023730247232012-06-25T15:43:54.116-04:002012-06-25T15:43:54.116-04:00In recognition of the fact that some diversity of ...In recognition of the fact that some diversity of opinion is allowed in Libertarian circles, I'd like to point out that I am a Libertarian candidate for office in Delaware as well, and my name does not appear on the preceding list. I'd like to explain why. My thoughts on the subject are pretty much summed up by the very first phrase of the statement, "Libertarians would prefer to get the government out of the marriage business all together," The provision for civil unions addresses the equal rights aspect of this issue. I don’t support further marriage legislation. In my view, insisting upon the use of the word marriage is a thinly disguised attempt on the part of gays and lesbians to claim some form of quasi acceptance of their lifestyle from people who do not approve or accept that lifestyle. They have a right to demand equal rights under the law. They don’t have the right to demand social acceptance from those who do not wish to offer it. Get government out of the marriage business. It should be regarded as a civil contract. There is plenty of law and precedent on the books to continue to treat it a such. If churches wish to further consecrate marriage as a holy rite, as has been their tradition, that is their business, and they can choose to bestow it as they choose. Government doesn’t decide who gets baptized or confirmed, and they should stay out of marriage decisions. Some churches will embrace gay marriage. Some won’t. That’s for the churches and their parishioners to decide. Progress happens one funeral at a time. I believe we are well past the tipping point where gay couples are generally accepted by society. Those who cannot accept this are fast becoming an increasingly marginalized. minority.Jesse McVayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11563223890147862763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-88739926127309223572012-06-25T15:21:06.428-04:002012-06-25T15:21:06.428-04:00Here is the link on FaceBook for the counter demon...Here is the link on FaceBook for the counter demonstration being organized: https://www.facebook.com/events/435477333151342/435542423144833/?notif_t=event_mall_reply .Andrew R Groffhttp://www.andrewgroffforsenate.usnoreply@blogger.com