tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post7979008212311489891..comments2024-03-19T08:42:45.690-04:00Comments on The Delaware Libertarian: Libertarians and the Delaware blogosphere: You know you're making headway when they develop talking points to use against youSteven H. Newtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09097470960863103473noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-85590749477851366292009-08-10T10:05:13.141-04:002009-08-10T10:05:13.141-04:00Anyone interested in more information about the Bu...Anyone interested in more information about the Buffalo Commons should go to my Rutgers website, policy.rutgers.edu/faculty/popper. and I my wife Deborah Popper, a geographer at the College of Staten Island/City University of New York, originated the idea in 1987. The Great Plains Restoration, a Texas-based group, is a national organization devoted to creating it. Its website is grpc.org, its president is Jarid Manos, greatplains@gprc.org, and I chair its board. A similar group is the National Center for Frontier Communities, in New Mexico, which does research on and advocates for the nation's smallest and most isolated places, whether in the Plains or elsewhere. Its website is frontierus.org, and its executive director is Carol Miller, carol@frontierus.org. Deborah and I are on its board.<br /> Frank Popper<br />Rutgers and Princeton Universities<br />fpopper@rci.rutgers.edu, fpopper@princeton.edu<br />732-932-4009, X689Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-45549092006717164072009-07-29T18:28:42.072-04:002009-07-29T18:28:42.072-04:00Don't you mean should it be illegal for adults...Don't you mean should it be illegal for adults to transport toddlers in vehicles, without putting them in a child safety seat?<br /><br />Yes, I believe it should be.<br /><br />What this has to do with government mandates purportedly protecting adults from their own behavior by criminalizing or penalizing them "for their own good" is beyond me.Tyler Nixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03009459340275592274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-42811711748881721382009-07-29T18:16:02.319-04:002009-07-29T18:16:02.319-04:00Yes or no? There should be no laws requiring the ...Yes or no? There should be no laws requiring the use of car seats for children?<br /><br />And your right, I do think someone is irrational if they disagree w/ that for reasons that are so self evident that they border on being an analytic truth. <br /><br />Still interested in your view, though.Delaware Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13619357338844485803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-38604889277318143972009-07-29T16:31:02.882-04:002009-07-29T16:31:02.882-04:00Excellent points, Steve. I am glad you addressed D...Excellent points, Steve. I am glad you addressed Dana's example re: seat belts, where I hadn't had a chance yet. <br /><br />What bothered me beyond Dana's a priori assumption that his own affirmation of nanny government mandates can only be contradicted "irrationally", was his use of children to make his point.<br /><br />This to me has been one of the most insidious subterfuges for asserting controls over the entire adult population : "protecting the children".<br /><br />Leaving out the fact of people inflicting their children and/or their parental negligence on the rest of us, there are almost no law laws/regulations/mandates that can't be tailored very narrowly to protect children, without burdening the mass of the population of otherwise responsible adults.<br /><br />The drug war has been kept going for decades, imprisoning 100's of 1000's of non-violent offenders, in large part on the basis of such reprehensible demagoguery as the "save the children" card. <br /><br />Such protestations and arguments are purely emotive and have little or no basis in reality. You can limit and control the freedom of everyone to the ends of the earth down to the minutiae (as some are intent upon), but children will still be at-risk in the world, they will still engage in bad or dangerous behavior, and parents will still be negligent or even abusive.<br /><br />No adult should have to suffer laws, restrictions, and nanny nonsense aimed at (or based upon) making the entire goddamn world "child-proof".<br /><br />Child safety and health, as you pointed out Steve, is for parents to worry about. <br /><br />Child abuse or <i>dangerous neglect</i> is for the state to deal with on a case-by-case basis, not by ham-fisted all-encompassing behavior laws.<br /><br />I understand Dana is raising a little one (and has raised a great daughter, now an adult) and is probably sensitive to the dangers facing young children. But that is no reason to control the entire population and his points really make the libertarian point, if you ask me.Tyler Nixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03009459340275592274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7893272060787897238.post-64459783864015193012009-07-29T13:57:38.392-04:002009-07-29T13:57:38.392-04:00The so called Liberaterian Party consists of as ma...The so called Liberaterian Party consists of as many voters or less than the Independent Party of Delaware. Until you shuck yourselves of the ultra lunatics, and start adopting good government legislation for the people you pretend to support, what makes your little gig any different than the repubkes at the top of your party. Time to throw the wingnuts out of the party, but that would ultimately mean you are throwing out your BASE! At least some democrats are willing to call another demorat what they are, corporate whores! I know there are some demorats who would support another demorat like Carper who continuously supports big business and collects his millions in campaign contributions. At least some of us are willing to "out" them when they are not willing to support citizen initiatives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com