Thursday, September 3, 2009

Organizng for America: health care opponents are "domestic terrorists"

You'll have to visit this screen capture from the Obama campaign's Organizing for America website to see this, because they have now pulled it down.

For those who don't want to squint, here is the relevant snippet:

“All 50 States are coordinating in this – as we fight back against our own Right-Wing Domestic Terrorists who are subverting the American Democratic Process, whipped to a frenzy by their Fox Propaganda Network ceaselessly re-seizing power for their treacherous leaders.”


Very likely this was a user-generated page rather than a staff-created page, meaning that the once it was pointed out to them Obama staffers removed the material. But they did so by essentially denying it ever existed, as you will find if you click this link:

The URL you clicked references an event that does not exist. This event may have existed at one time but been subsequently deleted.


I've noticed this tendency on Organizing for America before: at one point there was a graphic appearing above the main pages of an Obama 2012 campaign logo that I wanted to blog about, but twenty minutes later it was ... gone.

I don't doubt that there are lot of Obama supporters who see their political opposition as traitors [Paul Krugman, for example], un-American [Nancy Pelosi] or terrorists, just as there are plenty of nuts on the so-called opposition side of the Demopublicans that consider Obama to be a socialist, a foreign-born Muslim, or a terrorist.

But you don't deal with these folks on your own side by pretending they don't exist, while meanwhile lambasting your political opponents.

21 comments:

Ed Heath said...

I think they meant to say we are subverting the "American Socialist Process"!

Thanks for bringing this to our attention!

Delaware Watch said...

"But they did so by essentially denying it ever existed, as you will find if you click this link:

The URL you clicked references an event that does not exist. This event may have existed at one time but been subsequently deleted."

Your reading of the website message ("But they did so by essentially denying it ever existed") is tendentious since they clearly suggest "This event may have existed at one time but been subsequently deleted."

If you had quoted the rest of the message on the error page, your readers would know precisely why the language is worded "may have existed”:

“If you clicked a URL in an email, please check that the URL in your browser matches the one shown in your email client. ***Email clients sometimes load an incorrect URL when clicking a link in an email***.” (emphasis mine)

This is the language of a mechanism, not a plot.

Tyler Nixon said...
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Tyler Nixon said...

[Sorry, edited and reposted for syntax clarity]

Wow, thanks for pointing out the lowermost shoots of the weeds of the issue raised, Dana.

Now back to the forest : this should come as no shock.

Probablt every inherently defamatory epithet conceivable in political discourse (e.g. racist, terrorist, insane, treacherous, etc.) has been broadly and routinely employed against their perceived opponents by the nasty, vicious, increasingly-desperate hard lefties (esp. the pathological Republican/conservative haters of their ilk) including (if not especially) those in the Delaware 'sphere's leftist ranks.

It's why Dana comes here arguing without a point, much less a substantive response to yours.

Tyler Nixon said...

Incidentally, Steve, though you may have valid substantive objections to the term socialist being used, I don't think you can lump it as a derogation in the same categories of user and usage as "foreign-born Muslim or terrorist".

While the much broader-used "socialist" term may overlap in its use amongst some who make the latter (ridiculous) charges, such charges are confined to a small hysterical minority within the larger, broadening opposition to the ObamaLeft.

I also find it interesting, however, that the hard left seems to take often-hysterical exception with the use of the term socialist to describe their agenda(s).

Is it self-hatred? Or just subliminal concession?

Delaware Watch said...

LOL. Tyler, I don't take lessons about inflammatory language from people (like you) who call Obama and his supporters fascists.

Physician, heal thyself.

Anonymous said...

Insightful responses, Tyler. I hereby take back one of those two fuck yous.

Miscreant

Anonymous said...

Ha ha. Republican politician and highly skilled flame-thrower complains about invectives from the left.

One has to wonder if he even reads his own posts.

anonone

Tyler Nixon said...

My posts include none of the vicious invective of the left, anonnynonny, nor your monomaniacal and hyperbolic broad-brush hatred and demonization of your perceived opponents, or should I say your pereceived enemies of humankind.

I call 'em as I see 'em and have NEVER, for example, resorted to charges like terrorism or treason of my political opponents, here or otherwise, EVER.

You have. You are so blind in your hatred and compartmentalized in your thinking that you are incapable of understanding or seeing the difference between, for example, prominent supposedly-credible leftists like Pelosi, Hoyer, Krugman, et al (and of course bottom-feeders like you) using such inflammatory terminology as anti-American and terrorist VERSUS those of us calling them socialists or even fascists based on evaluations of their actions and ideology.

Steve's right. You are barely worth bothering with.

Tyler Nixon said...

Hey Dana, you may lump fascism (a political ideology) with terrorism (terrorizing a civilian populace normally through violence) or racism (hatred or discrimination of individuals or a group purely based on racial bias) as equivalent, but then that's what makes you delusional in your self-justifying equivalency. You and anonone are a pair, for sure.

Tyler Nixon said...

Incidentally, Dana, are we talking inflammatory or DEfamatory?

I never said I didn't write inflammatory rhetoric and Lord knows it's about all you have going for you.

There is nothing wrong with inflammatory rhetoric, if it's true...like Obama's fascism (or as some are now calling it "corporate progressivism").

But calling people insane, terrorists, un-American, etc etc is nothing of this sort...it is purely defamatory...and you are a master of it.

tom said...

It is definitely time to retire the word "terrorist" from public discourse. It has been so cheapened by repeated abuse as to be completely meaningless.

But I think you are reading way too much into the customized 404 (page not found) error on Obama's site. They were merely trying to replace an obscure error message with a "friendly" one. the HTTP standard doesn't distinguish between a page that never existed and one administratively removed. This is akin to inventing a conspiracy because of the message I get when I go to a made up URL like http://delawarelibertarian.blogspot.com/2009/09/this-post-removed.html.

Delaware Watch said...

"But calling people insane, terrorists, un-American, etc etc is nothing of this sort...it is purely defamatory...and you are a master of it."

Prove that I have ever called any conservative or libertarian a "terrorist." You can't.

Once more you are shooting off your mouth w/ no evidence.

Anonymous said...

I, too, have never "resorted to charges like terrorism or treason of my political opponents, here or otherwise, EVER."

Stop making stuff up.

anonone

Tyler Nixon said...

Hair-splitting from Dana and anonone.

The specific over-the-top derogations you employ is not the point here (the defamatory terms are effectively interchangeable as such).

The point is you (and your fellow race-to-the-bottom leftists) personally demonize, distort, and degrade your opponents en masse, in ways going far beyond policy differences or ideological disputes.

You know, I know it, everyone who reads your posts/comments knows it.

End of story.

Anonymous said...

The race to the bottom is over, Tyler.

You won.

As anybody can see in just this thread, you make nasty stuff up and when called on it, you say it is "splitting hairs."

No, it is not. I haven't accused anybody of treason or terrorism. Ever.

But l guess name-calling and lying about liberals is is what republican politicians like yourself do best.

What is particularly amusing is how deftly you practice what it is you rail against.

Split that hair.

anonone

Tyler Nixon said...

Ok, Dr. Equivalency Maker.

Tyler Nixon said...

"The race to the bottom is over, Tyler."

Phew, what a relief!

I can accept that if it gets you to STFU and give us all a rest from your pointless hair-splitting nonsense.

Delaware Watch said...

"As anybody can see in just this thread, you make nasty stuff up and when called on it, you say it is "splitting hairs."

You nailed Tyler Nixon.

Delaware Watch said...

Once again Tyler Nixon made an accusation he couldn't prove. LOL.

Tyler Nixon said...

Only a lefty narcissist would think my points were directed at them individually, and thus demanding individualized "proof".

Savvy readers know exactly what I mean.