For example: the FEMA concentration camp myth, to which our own Delaware gadfly liz allen subscribes, along with good ol' Glenn Beck:
Continuing his assigned role as corporate media siren of the apocalypse, Glenn Beck interrupted a discussion on Russia and Iran last night on Fox & Friends to mention a heretofore no-no for national television — FEMA camps. At two minutes into the video below, Beck declares he attempted to “debunk these FEMAS camps” because he is “tired of hearing about them,” but was unable to do so. “We now for several days have done research on them… I can’t debunk them.” Beck follows this with a declaration that the United States may be headed for totalitarianism.
Here's the gist of the FEMA concentration camp myth permeating the righter wings of the internet:
I never thought the day would come where I would write about such a horrible subject but the fact is our government, under a program called REX 84 (Readiness Exercise 84) runs over 800 detention camps nationwide. They are all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners should the US government institute martial law.
I put this page together so YOU would seek to know more about these issues and do your OWN research. I make no claims as to the infallibility of this information and my opinions are represented in much of the content of this page.
The Rex 84 Program was initially established by the United States Federal government to test their ability to detain large numbers of American citizens. Exercises similar to Rex 84 happen periodically. From 1967 to 1971 the FBI kept a list of persons to be rounded up as subversive, dubbed the "ADEX" list. The program is also to be used to deal with a mass exodus of illegal aliens crossing the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency). Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons. These facilities are constructed to detain people not just to house them. When barbed razor wire topped fences are facing inward, that is meant to keep someone from going over the top of the fencing and to keep them INSIDE an area!
Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its true purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.
The camps all have railroad facilities as well as highways and roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people. The camps are constructed to detain people not house them. Scroll to the bottom for
a comprehensive list by state of most of the camp locations.
Friends of Liberty publishes what purports to be an extensive list of FEMA concentration camps around the country [and this list can be found many other places].
Gee, Delaware doesn't rate a FEMA camp, but here's the entry for Virginia:
Ft. A.P. Hill (Fredericksburg) - Rex 84 / FEMA facility. Estimated capacity 45,000.
Petersburg - Federal satellite prison camp, south of Richmond.
Fort A. P. Hill, Virginia, eh?
This one interests me. You see, I spent the better part of two decades running around Fort A. P. Hill as a member of the Virginia Army National Guard. I have traversed the Hill by helicopter, by vehicle, and on foot for days and weeks at a time. There may be a square foot of the place I have not visited, but I doubt it. My ambulance platoon's boast used to be that you could drop one of us in the middle of the night without a map or a flashlight at any spot on the Hill, and that we'd know withing ten minutes exactly where we were.
Once A. P. Hill was turned over to the Virginia Army National Guard during base shut-downs, and there have been some changes. There is a SEAL training area and a small penitentiary along the fringes of the post. I have re-visited the Hill on multiple occasions since my retirement in 2001 (most days the post is open to traffic with any ID; the other days my retired military ID gets me in). I have conducted extensive satellite recons on Google. [A couple of significant road changes allow me to date the satellite photos Google is using to 2005/2006.]
For the purposes of this little intellectual exercise I have consulted with people still active in the Guard for any construction updates or areas of the post besides the penitentiary that have been declared off-limits. [There are a few areas, like the ammunition storage bunkers, that are high security, but I have been inside them as well, and that's what they are: ammunition bunkers.]
This is what I can tell you: Neither the buildings nor the logistic infrastructure exists, under the remotest of possibilities, to hold 45,000 people there. Hell, the annual Boy Scout Jamboree with 3-4,000 people camping out for a few days strains the existing support systems. Putting 4-5,000 troops in the field for training exercises of less than two weeks' duration usually overloads the capacity of Wilcox Camp (the major such area on the base) for supporting them.
Yes, FEMA teams and the VaRNG's Emergency Operations Center have operated out of Fort A. P. Hill from time to time during emergencies. You can even read one of the fairly recent (and completely banal) After-Action Reports of such an exercise here. I actually know several of the people who were involved in this particular exercise; the report is both boring and legit.
But the information on the conspiracy-fed internet is even out of date with respect to that. If you want to look for the current Va EOC, look for a different base in the Old Dominion, named after a different Civil War general.
Point being: any idiot can put a name on a list. Let's see somebody show some evidence of the massive, 45,000-person detention-camp facility that's supposed to be there.
Let's see some photographs of the buildings, the stockades, the areas that are off-limits to visitors.
Let's see some narratives of people who claim to have seen such facilities, or to have helped build them.
Let's see some documents that suggest Memoranda of Understanding between the State of Virginia and FEMA for the use of the facilities.
You won't find them, because the primary heavy-duty uses of Fort A. P. Hill are brigade-level training on its several dozen ranges and many wooded training areas; and mobilization preparation for reservists and guardsmen going overseas.
Literally tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of active-duty soldiers, National Guard troops, Boy Scouts, politicians, and civilians have passed through Fort A. P. Hill over the past ten years, and I defy you to find me a credible narrative from any of them to back up the idea of a 45,000 prisoner detention camp, even in embryo.
The antidote to conspiracies is to ask yourself: What would I have to believe in order for this to be true?
In order to believe that Fort A. P. Hill has been prepared for occupation as a FEMA detention camp, you'd have to believe in a conspiracy involving all of those thousands of people.
Now, why is this important?
I have just debunked one of the major FEMA concentration camps claimed by the conspiracy theorists.
Moreover, I have done so through direct personal knowledge, not government documents or net-discovered rambling fantasies.
So, if the people maintaining these lists have a shred of intellectual integrity, they will take Fort A. P. Hill off their lists, and admit they were wrong to have it there in the first place--or they will come up with the evidence to the contrary.
But that's not what they'll do. Instead, if they respond at all we'll be treated to:
1) Me as a government plant or dupe--which is pretty good for a Libertarian, huh?
2) The old "they didn't let you into the really secret areas" tripe without any evidence
3) The old "just because there may be a few mistakes on the list doesn't invalidate our overall contention"
There are real government detention centers. I was around the edges of one in 1989 at Fort Chaffee AR, where the last of the Marielistas were still being kept. You know what? You could find it on maps. You could access photos and reports. It couldn't be hidden because--go with me here, conspiracies theorists--in the modern world it is damn difficult to hide such facilities.
'scuze me, got to go cash my FEMA disinformation agent check, now.